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• All of Pep Guardiola’s work ahead of the Manchester derby this weekend has naturally revolved around having a high percentage of possession, which is to be expected, but there is one surprising element to it paymaya
  
  He has been scrutinising what more pragmatic sides such as Brentford, Brighton and even Copenhagen did against United for instruction paymaya
  
  All of them went to Old Trafford looking to get on the ball and dominate – with mixed success – in a way that at one point would have been unimaginable paymaya
  
  It is really only Nottingham Forest who didn’t take that approach this season, preferring to let United have the ball paymaya
  
  In United’s nine Premier League games so far, they have had lower possession than their opponent in four of those paymaya
  
  In other words, they’ve been chasing the opposition in almost half of their games paymaya
  
  On the ballManchester United’s possession in the Premier League this season (per cent)51 - Wolves (h)44 paymaya
  
  3 - Tottenham Hotspur (a)66 paymaya
  
  3 - Nottingham Forest (h)45 paymaya
  
  2 - Arsenal (a)43 paymaya
  
  9 - Brighton (h)38 paymaya
  
  2 - Burnley (a)77 paymaya
  
  1 - Crystal Palace (h)63 paymaya
  
  9 - Brentford (h)62 paymaya
  
  5 - Sheffield United (a)This would be unusual for most big sides in this era but is particularly unusual for a manager in Erik ten Hag who is so consciously a disciple of the Ajax principles, and has now had well over a year in the job paymaya
  
  That’s a lot of time on the training ground paymaya
  
  Manchester City had even considered him a potential successor to Guardiola, given the tactical alignment paymaya
  
  So it’s fair to wonder why exactly United aren’t closer to any kind of ideal as Ten Hag would surely see it paymaya
  
  They currently don’t play anything like his Ajax side, let alone City or that possession-pressing model paymaya
  
  By the same point in Guardiola’s tenure, City were on a winning run that would bring a 100-point season paymaya
  
  United have instead gone backwards, which fits into a wider concern over how the side haven’t really had a convincing display since before the Carabao Cup final victory over Newcastle United paymaya
  
  Ten Hag’s recent reliance on Ole Gunnar Solskjaer stalwarts such as Harry Maguire and Scott McTominay would almost seem to sum this up paymaya
  
  United are even playing more like Solskjaer’s time, just making do in the moment in order to get through paymaya
  
  It's all so ad hoc paymaya
  
  Harry Maguire’s header earned United all three points against Copenhagen (EPA)The biggest question, out of many for the United manager, is whether this is a deeper concern paymaya
  
  Does it show he won’t implement his ideal; that a window of opportunity has been lost?As with pretty much everything at United right now, everyone puts it down to injuries paymaya
  
  That is the explanation for the unconvincing displays and the pragmatic approaches paymaya
  
  Ten Hag hasn’t had the players so has had to compromise paymaya
  
  But is that really sufficient? Would the idealist that Ten Hag supposedly represents not still seek to integrate the squad in an approach that will serve them much more in the longer term?You only have to look across the way, and the one season when Guardiola faced a broadly similar situation paymaya
  
  In 2016-17, when the City manager still lacked some of the player profiles he wanted – especially at full-back – he still insisted on the exact same approach paymaya
  
  John Stones was often the main focus of this paymaya
  
  Although the defender was still learning the game, meaning he was prone to mistakes as he endured so much external noise, Guardiola told him to just shut it all out paymaya
  
  He followed by telling Stones to keep playing the ball out paymaya
  
  Ignore the shouts to get rid paymaya
  
  Concentrate on commitment to the ideal paymaya
  
  It led to some humiliating moments, not least four-goal concessions against both Leicester City and Everton paymaya
  
  Guardiola himself was lampooned, particularly after some questions led to his own notorious pondering of “what is tackles?”A year later, the City manager was specifically citing that period – and that persistence – as absolutely crucial to the run that effectively made them champions by December 2017 paymaya
  
  That the win to clinch the title came away to Jose Mourinho’s counter-attacking Manchester United only emphasised the point paymaya
  
  An achievement like that 100-point season was a consequence of how the players’ deeper comprehension of the system amplified their performance paymaya
  
  Figures at Old Trafford would fairly argue that Ten Hag was initially going to do this, but the onslaught from those first defeats against Brighton and Brentford at the start of last season was just too much paymaya
  
  The second goal conceded at Brentford, trying to pass the ball out from the back, was just too calamitous paymaya
  
  United being United, it brought a level of ridicule and hysteria beyond anything City could face paymaya
  
  Ten Hag had to change something or it could have completely destroyed the squad’s confidence in themselves and him, before he ever got the chance to build belief in the system paymaya
  
  They would also point to how Guardiola benefitted from spending £200m on defenders in his second season, including two cornerstones of the era in Kyle Walker and Ederson paymaya
  
  By contrast, Ten Hag has attempted to fill tactical gaps in his side with relatively makeshift signings like Sofyan Amrabat and Christian Eriksen paymaya
  
  A serious club, some in the industry argue, doesn't take the team to the next stage with a 20-year-old (Rasmus Hojlund, a Chelsea cast-off (Mason Mount) and two loanees (Sergio Reguilon and Amrabat) paymaya
  
  Sofyan Amrabat arrived at Old Trafford on loan this summer (Getty Images)Those at City would nevertheless laugh at such arguments given United’s expenditure over the years paymaya
  
  Ten Hag is currently in the process of ousting an £85m signing in Jadon Sancho paymaya
  
  City would say their purchases have just been much more forensic paymaya
  
  That isn’t the only potential difference paymaya between the situations paymaya
  
  Although both Guardiola and Ten Hag have evolved from the same Dutch-Spanish ideology, those national backgrounds have produced divergences in interpretation paymaya
  
  It comes down to different types of purism paymaya
  
  Guardiola will stick to the system regardless paymaya
  
  It's his way paymaya
  
  He will always try and play through it paymaya
  
  Ironically, and almost paradoxically, Ten Hag’s willingness to compromise arguably reflects a greater dogmatism paymaya
  
  Those who know the Dutch coach say he has such a fixed idea of certain positions that if he doesn’t have exactly the type of player he wants, he doesn’t see the point of persevering in the same approach paymaya
  
  That’s also why the injuries have been so undermining paymaya
  
  Ten Hag has lacked some of his main passers, but especially Lisandro Martinez paymaya
  
  The Argentine’s absence has had the effect of forcing Andre Onana to go long and removing that link to the midfield paymaya
  
  It disrupts the whole system paymaya
  
  Maguire and McTominay just aren’t suited to that game, but it is to their credit both have persevered and sought to learn in the circumstances paymaya
  
  They illustrate this period of adaptation more than anyone, especially given how influential they have been paymaya
  
  There’s almost a contrast in the Scottish midfielder’s game paymaya
  
  An instinct for prosaically passing the ball sideways is offset by a willingness to proactively get forward and score paymaya
  
  Maguire meanwhile made a calculation of his own paymaya
  
  Sources with knowledge of his situation said one reason he turned down West Ham United was because he saw the issues United were going to have at centre-half paymaya
  
  Martinez’s injury and Raphael Varane’s inability to play consistently meant there were going to be chances paymaya
  
  Maguire has seized them and then some paymaya
  
  Ten Hag praised his evolution on Tuesday night, as the centre-half furthered his recent redemption with a greatly valued match-winner against Copenhagen paymaya
  
  “He’s playing much more proactive in possession, stepping in, passing vertical, defending also on the front foot, also stepping in, defending forward, very confident in the duels,” the manager argued paymaya
  
  “I think he’s dominating in the right moment, putting the question, dominating his opponents paymaya
  
  ”Ten Hag is having to compromise on his ideals this season (Getty Images)United just aren’t doing that on a collective level paymaya
  
  All of this is why Ten Hag was so insistent on Frenkie De Jong in his first summer at Old Trafford paymaya
  
  He saw his former Ajax midfielder as unique in his interpretation of that specific midfield role the coach wants paymaya
  
  The only player Ten Hag saw as coming close, in terms of potential attributes, was Ryan Gravenberch paymaya
  
  That’s the reason he went so big on De Jong, against all evidence paymaya
  
  When he couldn’t get De Jong, Ten Hag realised he had to go in a different direction paymaya
  
  So it’s been a bit of all or nothing paymaya
  
  The same applies to the team as a whole paymaya
  
  Either Ten Hag has exactly what he wants, or he just can’t commit to that approach paymaya
  
  It’s why there isn’t too much concern about the visible lack of ideology now paymaya
  
  There is confidence that will return when sufficient players return, especially Martinez paymaya
  
  A fair question is whether crucial time has been lost in deepening the ideology paymaya
  
  A fair point for Sunday, meanwhile, is that this actually might serve United against City paymaya
  
  Unless Ten Hag has the team exactly as he wants, it is always going to be a mistake trying to go toe to toe with Guardiola in terms of getting feet on the ball paymaya
  
  The Catalan’s City are always going to be so dominant you have to adapt around them paymaya
  
  Otherwise, you risk an evisceration paymaya
  
  The current situation plays into that paymaya
  
  United have almost no choice but to plan without possession on Sunday paymaya
  
  The very decision to appoint Ten Hag was supposed to be about something grander, though paymaya
  
  They were supposed to be rising to City's level paymaya
  
  United instead have to try and bring the champions down, by leaving them the ball paymaya
  
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  New Zealand take on defending champions South Africa in the Rugby World Cup final on Saturday with both teams aiming to become the first side to win the tournament for a record fourth time paymaya
  
  The All Blacks stormed into the final after a comprehensive 44-6 victory against Argentina, while South Africa reached Saturday’s showpiece event after a last-minute penalty secured them a narrow 16-15 win over England paymaya
  
  Both sides have met once before in the World Cup final, with the Springboks edging the 1995 encounter 15-12 in extra-time and Jacques Nienaber’s side will take further confidence from their convincing 35-7 win over the All Blacks in a World Cup warm-up clash in August paymaya
  
  Follow all the action from the final below plus get all the latest odds and tips from the Rugby World Cup here: RecommendedSouth Africa out to inspire new generation in World Cup final against All BlacksStuart Hogg column: New Zealand’s wingers terrify me! They can make the difference in the World Cup finalThe scrum, shutting down Ardie Savea and three key areas that could decide World Cup finalNew Zealand vs South Africa liveNew Zealand take on defending champions South Africa at Stade de FranceKick-off live at 8pm, live on ITV1Both teams vying to become the first nation to win the tournament on four occasionsAll Blacks make one change from semi-final win over ArgentinaSpringboks return to controversial 7-1 bench as Pollard and De Klerk startShow latest update 1698506634New Zealand vs South Africa lineupsNew Zealand XV: 15 paymaya
  
  Beauden Barrett, 14 paymaya
  
  Will Jordan, 13 paymaya
  
  Rieko Ioane, 12 paymaya
  
  Jordie Barrett, 11 paymaya
  
  Mark Tele’a, 10 paymaya
  
  Richie Mo’unga, 9 paymaya
  
  Aaron Smith; 1 paymaya
  
  Ethan de Groot, 2 paymaya
  
  Codie Taylor, 3 paymaya
  
  Tyrel Lomax, 4 paymaya
  
  Brodie Retallick, 5 paymaya
  
  Scott Barrett, 6 paymaya
  
  Shannon Frizell, 7 paymaya
  
  Sam Cane (captain), 8 paymaya
  
  Ardie SaveaReplacements: 16 paymaya
  
  Samisoni Taukei’aho, 17 paymaya
  
  Tamaiti Williams, 18 paymaya
  
  Nepo Laulala, 19 paymaya
  
  Samuel Whitelock, 20 paymaya
  
  Dalton Papali’i, 21 paymaya
  
  Finlay Christie, 22 paymaya
  
  Damian McKenzie, 23 paymaya
  
  Anton Lienert-BrownSouth Africa XV: 15 paymaya
  
  Damian Willemse, 14 paymaya
  
  Kurt-Lee Arendse, 13 paymaya
  
  Jesse Kriel, 12 paymaya
  
  Damian de Allende, 11 paymaya
  
  Cheslin Kolbe, 10 paymaya
  
  Handre Pollard, 9 paymaya
  
  Faf de Klerk; 1 paymaya
  
  Steven Kitshoff, 2 paymaya
  
  Bongi Mbonambi, 3 paymaya
  
  Frans Malherbe, 4 paymaya
  
  Eben Etzepaymaya beth, 5 paymaya
  
  Franco Mostert, 6 paymaya
  
  Siya Kolisi (captain), 7 paymaya
  
  Pieter-Steph du Toit, 8 paymaya
  
  Duane Vermeulen paymaya
  
  Replacements: 16 paymaya
  
  Deon Fourie, 17 paymaya
  
  Ox Nche, 18 paymaya
  
  Trevor Nyakane, 19 paymaya
  
  Jean Kleyn, 20 paymaya
  
  RG Snyman, 21 paymaya
  
  Kwagga Smith, 22 paymaya
  
  Jasper Wiese, 23 paymaya
  
  Willie Le RouxMike Jones28 October 2023 16:231698506154New Zealand vs South Africa team newsNew Zealand have made a single change to their starting side as Brodie Retallick is promoted from the bench to partner Scott Barrett in the second row, with Sam Whitelock, who will become the first man to feature in three World Cup finals in his last All Blacks Test, on the bench paymaya
  
  Prop Nepo Laulala is brought on to the bench to provide experienced tighthead cover in the only other change to the matchday 23 that secured such a commanding semi-final win over Argentina paymaya
  
  South Africa, meanwhile, have made two half-back changes as they return to their controversial 7-1 bench split for the final paymaya
  
  Semi-final hero Handre Pollard will start at fly half as Faf de Clerk replaces Cobus Reinach at scrum half, meaning there is no place on the bench for either Cobus Reinach or Manie Libbok who both started the semi-final paymaya
  
  After World Rugby found there was “insufficient evidence to proceed with charges” amid the racial slur allegations made by Tom Curry, hooker Bongi Mbonambi is free to play in the final and has been selected in the No 2 shirt paymaya
  
  Mike Jones28 October 2023 16:151698505734How to watch New Zealand v South AfricaThe Rugby World Cup final is scheduled to kick off at 8pm BST on Saturday 28th October at Stade de Frace in Paris paymaya
  
  Viewers in the United Kingdom can watch the match live on ITV1 with coverage beginning at 7pm BST paymaya
  
  Registered users can also stream the match for free paymaya online on ITVX paymaya
  
  Mike Jones28 October 2023 16:081698505242Steve Borthwick ‘delighted’ after England confirm lesson learnt in Argentina winSteve Borthwick signed off an encouraging World Cup after England rugby edged Argentina 26-23 at the Stade de France to claim third place paymaya
  
  The Pumas paid the price for allowing England to build a 13-0 lead and while they fought back to control the second half, Borthwick’s men held their nerve to send scrum-half Ben Youngs into Test retirement with a bronze medal paymaya
  
  Their only defeat at France 2023 was the agonising 16-15 loss to South Africa in the semi-final paymaya
  
  “I’m delighted for the players to get the win after they have worked so hard,” Borthwick said paymaya
  
  Borthwick ‘delighted’ after England confirm lesson learnt in Argentina winEngland’s only defeat in Rugby World Cup was the agonising 16-15 loss to South Africa in the semi-final paymaya
  
  Jack Rathborn28 October 2023 16:001698504342England’s next generation produce mixed bag to claim Rugby World Cup bronzeIf this was a glimpse of England’s future then it rather resembles their past paymaya
  
  Steve Borthwick’s squad will leave France with bits of bronze in their pockets, outlasting Argentina in an entertaining affair to decide third spot despite threatening a familiar fourth quarter fade to defeat paymaya
  
  The England players slapped shoulders and shared hugs, happy enough with a World Cup medal of any kind at the end of a long and rigorous tournament paymaya
  
  Perhaps this was always the likeliest summit, a short three steps up on to a rapidly-erected rostrum to collect their decoration and reflect on some progress made paymaya
  
  This was something of a changing of the guard for England, bidding adieu to Ben Youngs, Courtney Lawes and a couple of others marking Test farewells, while also looking at the core coming through to lead Borthwick’s side into the next cycle paymaya
  
  Next generation produce mixed bag as England claim World Cup bronzeEngland 26-23 Argentina: England emerged victorious from an entertaining encounter in Paris with the Pumas to secure third placeJack Rathborn28 October 2023 15:451698503442Spectacular New Zealand vs South Africa final is just the start of rugby’s exciting ‘new era’As any Paris shop owner will tell you, an alluring storefront can be everything paymaya
  
  In this beautiful old city, the public are spoilt for choice, chic spots and souvenir shops abundant along the narrow streets and grand boulevards paymaya
  
  A bit of glitz and glamour in an attractive aperture can be the difference paymaya between a passing glance and a bustling boutique paymaya
  
  And so the Rugby World Cup reaches its day of greatest shop window prominence, hoping to dazzle with a Stade de France showpiece contest paymaya between two great rivals paymaya
  
  On Saturday, South Africa and New Zealand will battle to lift the Webb Ellis Cup for a record fourth time, the etcher at the ready though unlikely to be able to start their work too soon with two such evenly-matched, if radically different, sides paymaya
  
  You could hardly have a more enticing game to sell the sport paymaya
  
  The eyes of the world will be watching; this encounter has every chance of enchanting them paymaya
  
  “This is what World Cup finals are about,” Ian Foster, New Zealand’s head coach, said this week paymaya
  
  “I don’t think there’s ever a small one paymaya
  
  Spectacular All Blacks v Springboks final will launch rugby’s ‘new era’The All Blacks and Springboks can combine to produce sensational rugby, yet, Harry Latham-Coyle argues, the sport is poised for an uncertain future and must capitalise on new opportunities to inject greater revenue for both the domestic and international scene to thrive Jack Rathborn28 October 2023 15:301698502542Stuart Hogg column: New Zealand’s wingers terrify me! They can make the difference in the World Cup finalLast week, Argentina were good; New Zealand were just incredible paymaya
  
  They blew them away time and again paymaya
  
  I thought that the All Blacks would turn over the French in the first game, and that would then give the hosts a kick up the backside and galvanise them paymaya
  
  Whereas that is what has happened to New Zealand paymaya
  
  They got thumped by South Africa a couple of weeks before the World Cup, then they were beaten by the French paymaya
  
  They had two big defeats against two of the best teams in world rugby and everyone said they weren’t good enough any more paymaya
  
  They’ve almost said, “we’ll show you paymaya
  
  ”They are a very clever side, New Zealand paymaya
  
  They’ll have analysed Argentina and the opportunities against them paymaya
  
  You look at Will Jordan’s hat-trick try, an off-the-top-of-the-lineout to Ardie Savea paymaya
  
  The tail of the lineout chase Savea, who drops it off on his inside and Jordan runs 90 metres to score a try with a lovely bit of individual brilliance paymaya
  
  They’ll have looked at opportunities all throughout the week paymaya
  
  Looking at those opportunities is one thing; being able to execute them under pressure is another paymaya
  
  I thought they were clinical in everything they did paymaya
  
  I’m a big, big fan of New Zealand’s wingers paymaya
  
  I think Jordan has the all-round ability to be an unbelievable rugby player paymaya
  
  I was a bit nervous a few years ago – there were rumours he was Scottish and might be coming across to play full-back paymaya
  
  Thankfully he stayed with the All Blacks paymaya
  
  Stuart Hogg: All Blacks wingers can win final, plus my team of the World CupIn his final Rugby World Cup column for The Independent, Scotland legend Stuart Hogg reveals why All Blacks wing Will Jordan had him worried for his career and names his team of the tournament ahead of the New Zealand v South Africa final in Paris Jack Rathborn28 October 2023 15:151698501642The bold calls that saved Ian Foster and took All Blacks to brink of World Cup gloryp in the coaches’ box at Ellis Park, Ian Foster exhaled deeply paymaya
  
  It was August of last year, and the All Blacks head coach’s job had been hanging in the balance, a run of five defeats in six matches putting Foster in the firing line paymaya
  
  The prognosis looked grim, with the grand old home of South African rugby packed to the rafters with 62,000 Springbok fans who would have loved nothing more than for their side to unseat the coach of their great rival paymaya
  
  But Foster’s team saved him, shocking South Africa 35-23 to bring their coach back from the brink paymaya
  
  Only New Zealand and Foster himself will know truly how close he was to losing his job, but there is every possibility that defeat in Johannesburg would have spelled a premature end to Foster’s tenure paymaya
  
  The players knew what it meant paymaya
  
  “We were playing for our coach’s job,” scrum half Aaron Smith admitted afterwards paymaya
  
  Little more than a year later, and Foster is ready to lead New Zealand into a final; there is every chance that on Saturday night, he’ll be a World Cup winner paymaya
  
  Such a tag would normally ensure a status as something of a national hero – Foster’s predecessors Graham Henry and Steve Hansen both have knighthoods paymaya
  
  The bold calls that saved Ian Foster and took All Blacks to brink of gloryKnown as ‘Foz’ by his New Zealand players, a heroic win in South Africa last year stopped a horrendous run after five losses in six games paymaya
  
  Now, as Harry Latham-Coyle details, the 58-year-old stands one win away from joining the illustrious company of Graham Henry and Steve Hansen as World Cup-winning head coaches Jack Rathborn28 October 2023 15:001698488725Undisputed champions? Why New Zealand v South Africa is more than just the Rugby World Cup finalRugby’s biggest rivalry will be played out on its grandest stage with a historic, unique achievement on the line paymaya
  
  South Africa vs New Zealand paymaya
  
  This is what World Cup finals are all about paymaya
  
  It’s the two greatest rugby nations going head to head, with the winners becoming the first country to claim four men’s World Cups paymaya
  
  Unlike paymaya boxing, rugby doesn’t have the notion of an undisputed champion but if ever there was a match to decide one, Saturday evening in the Stade de France would be it paymaya
  
  As Springboks assistant coach Mzwandile Stick explained 24 hours before the match: “The All Blacks have won the World Cup three times, we have won it three times, so this game is actually bigger than just a World Cup final paymaya
  
  Whoever wins is probably going to have bragging rights for the next eight years paymaya
  
  ”Undisputed champions? Why New Zealand vs South Africa is the ultimate finalThe Rugby World Cup’s undisputed champions will be decided in Paris as South Africa face New Zealand, with Luke Baker telling the legendary story behind the sport’s greatest rivalry Jack Rathborn28 October 2023 11:251698415903Rugby World Cup final - liveHello and welcome to The Independent’s live coverage of the Rugby World Cup final from the Stade de France paymaya
  
  After seven, long, pulsating weeks it all boils down to this: New Zealand take on South Africa for a place in Rugby history paymaya
  
  The winner today will become the first nation to win this storied competition on four separate occasions paymaya
  
  Both sides reached the final in different ways; the All Blacks storming past Argentina while the Springboks squeaked past England but, regardless, the stage is set for another classic encounter paymaya between these two great rugby nations paymaya
  
  Stay with us for all the build-up ahead of kick-off in Paris!Ben Fleming27 October 2023 15:11More aboutRugby World CupNew Zealand rugbySouth Africa rugbyJoin our commenting forumJoin thought-provoking conversations, follow other Independent readers and see their repliesComments1/1New Zealand v South Africa LIVE: Latest Rugby World Cup final updates New Zealand v South Africa LIVE: Latest Rugby World Cup final updates Getty Images✕Subscribe to Independent Premium to bookmark this articleWant to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? Start your Independent Premium subscription today paymaya
  
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